# Should our beta icon be changed from Eg to Eng, or an icon?

I have noticed that Cognitive Sciences SE and probably others use three letters in their blue (beta) icon. Engineering uses two (Eg). It's non-intuitive, and I feel e.g. "Eng" would fit the name better and be more discoverable / guessable. A gear would be even better, like the plane icon at Aviation SE.

• While I agree that "EG" is not a very intuitive abbreviation and a gear icon would be nice, keep in mind that sites get full designs when they graduate.
– Air
Feb 10, 2015 at 17:26
• @Air ... which may take several years. Best to carve out our mindshare early. Feb 10, 2015 at 17:27
• I do not disagree. My point is that this change may not be a priority from the staff's perspective. The best way for us to make it happen might be for one of our users to contribute a design that staff can simply "drop in" with minimal effort.
– Air
Feb 10, 2015 at 19:10
• On behalf of all the non-mechanical engineers: "Oy! with the gears already!!!" :-D
– user16
Feb 10, 2015 at 20:11
• @GlenH7 - the exact symbology is TBD. )) Feb 10, 2015 at 20:14
• For the record, I think gears do a great job of representing engineering within a single, simple icon. That said, once we get to the point of selecting a site design, there are a number of iconic symbols from the various fields that we could borrow from. Transits for civil; sparks or electricity for the EEs; the other fields have a number of symbols to pull from as well....
– user16
Feb 10, 2015 at 20:17
• Air quality engineering has no handy symbol. If I do my job, the result is invisible!
– Air
Feb 10, 2015 at 21:18
• Changing the icon is not out of the question, but I'd need to see more consensus and discussion about what to change it to (if anything other than Eng). I like the gear, but I'm not an engineer, and I surmise that the gear only really represents a very limited subset of engineers--and we want this site to have broad appeal. Feb 11, 2015 at 21:00

For a choice just between EG & ENG I prefer ENG

While "ENG" seems like an improvement over the current "EG" abbreviation, I think a gear icon would offer much more "bang for our buck." More letters will be less readable and if we're going to ask for a chance, we might as well set our sights on something more iconic (ha, ha).

We may have the best chance of success here if we follow the example set on Aviation.SE by creating the icon ourselves. I've never worked with SVG before, but I had some free time, so here's a mock-up:

I'm not a huge fan of the gear shape, which I shamelessly stole from Wikipedia; I'd prefer the teeth to be more distinct. However, this doesn't appear to be simple to do with the tool I downloaded and it works in a pinch, even if it does look a bit like a flower.

Should be reproducible using the following XML:

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xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"
version="1.1"
viewBox="0 0 200 200"
height="200"
width="200">
<g id="bubble">
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ry="18.928572" y="6.7964911" x="22.129595"
height="156.06053" width="155.01321"
style="fill:#62b0df;fill-opacity:1;fill-rule:evenodd;stroke:none;" />
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transform="matrix(0.25298014,-1.4165527,0.7640002,0.46905707,-44.144649,234.94073)"
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style="fill:#62b0df;fill-opacity:1;fill-rule:evenodd;stroke:none;" />
</g>
<g id="gear">
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• Probably for worse, we actually already have two sites that are depicted with gears. Our site for developing things with our API, Stack Apps, uses a simplistic one as you've depicted above. Our site for patent stufferies, Ask Patents, uses a more complexly depicted one. As much as I like a cog for engineering, I think the image of a singular sprocket is probably unideal.
– Grace Note StaffMod
Feb 11, 2015 at 21:14
• Excellent point. Clearly we need to come up with something better, or live with letters.
– Air
Feb 11, 2015 at 21:25
• @GraceNote The sadistic anarchist in me wants to suggest the three interlocked gears that are the bane of engineers and thinking people everywhere. Feb 12, 2015 at 3:02
• I was thinking that although a gear is a good symbol for engineering, it is often used to indicate the "settings" part of an application. We might want a symbol that doesn't already have a common association. Feb 8, 2017 at 19:27

I have put in the request to our dev team to make the change from Eg to Eng. I'll keep you updated as to when this will get taken care of!

• It's done! Oddly enough, it came out in all-caps, though...
– Wasabi Mod
Sep 14, 2018 at 23:53
• Yes, it appears that it did. Is the preference still Eng or is ENG ok to use? Sep 17, 2018 at 12:01

Answering first in support of Eng. over Eg/EG.

Second to mention that orange is the academic color of engineering.

A symbol would be best if we can find one that is general enough without becoming meaningless (i'm not holding out hope).

• Orange might be the colour of engineering in the US but it is not internationally: Italy - black, Spain - brown, France - Amaranth, New Zealand - dark violet, Australia & Germany - varies with each university. Not that I mind orange.
– Fred
Feb 12, 2015 at 6:00
• That's a good point, I hadn't noticed that the scheme was US only. So that's no good. How about a blue that matches the old ferro-gallate gum used to make blueprints? That would have been fairly common across engineering disciplines back when it was used.
– Dan
Feb 12, 2015 at 6:20
• I don't object to orange, it's a colour that would be noticeable from all the other sites. If the colour of our icon were to change would we then also change the colour scheme of the our site to match? If so, a colour that it is to look at would be best. Blue print blue might be; I'm open to suggestions. Ask Ubuntu has a tan icon & a tan scheme on the site to match the Ubuntu scheme. I find it difficult to look at, so we wouldn't want to do anything similar.
– Fred
Feb 12, 2015 at 9:56
• Orange is often used as a safety color for high visibility. Who doesn't like safety? More importantly, standing out from other site logos is important. But a color scheme is something the SE design team will likely want to handle. We might have more input with respect to the iconography.
– Air
Feb 19, 2015 at 18:17
• Notably, Ask Patents uses a blueprint-based theme that we would want to differentiate ourselves from.
– Air
Feb 19, 2015 at 18:18
• Huh? What? I never hear of orange being the color of engineering, and I'm in the US. That may be something unique to your school. Sep 14, 2018 at 11:47

We used ENGR at RPI. Better than a gear :)